Talk:Down (gridiron football)

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Since when?

Just curious when in the history of American football a limited number of tackles was introduced. Might be worth adding to this article somewhere.--Jeff79 (talk) 11:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I moved the article to Down (gridiron football). The article discusses not only the down in American football, but in Canadian football as well, and as such the old title is inappropriate.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where the next down begins?

Sorry I'm new to american football... Does the next down begin on the spot where the ball was when the ball carrier was tackled or the farthest point he managed to get the ball? For example, 1st and 10, a running back carries the ball 9 yards from the line of scrimmage but the defence forces him back 2 yards and after that manages to take him to the ground. Is the result 2nd and 1 or 2nd and 3? 193.66.72.129 (talk) 08:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First down laser line

The first down or downs in American gridiron Football has been recognized on this Wikipedia page in other uses as the 1st n 10 graphic yellow first down line, therefore we should also mention the First down laser line systems. I posted it under the proper other uses title of first down or downs in Gridiron football. I would like to post this important to the American Football first down systems in other uses. I cited the facts and hope you can agree.

My edit of public interest cited under gridiron downs facts here are mostly taken from Alan Amron Wikipedia page.

Alan Amron invented and was awarded five US patents for the First Down Laser Line system for the NFL, which would extend the concept of the computer-generated first down yellow line seen on-screen during televised football games by projecting such a line on the physical field at the stadium. Amron, with his co-founder and voice of the NFL the late great Pat Summerall, met with the NFL in 2003 and again in 2009, and in 2013 a league spokesman said "We have not been convinced that it would work for us, but we are open to further discussion after the season."^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enoska13 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support this addition. Enoska13 (talk) 14:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you support it, as you are the one suggesting it. However, the source you give is nine years old, and since then there has been no notable coverage by reliable sources. This suggests it was an idea that went nowhere, and not notable enough to mention in Wikipedia. Even if we do cover this idea, the more appropriate article for it would be 1st & Ten (graphics system). Indefatigable (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this reply, and your suggestions. I found several more recent 2022 published articles sports news citing this first down laser line, and a 2022 issued United States Patent for same, so we can include those to make it more current.

Football Tech That’s More Than a Laser and Light Show

The U.S.F.L. is testing tech that could resolve disputes over where balls are spotted, clearly show if a first down was reached and track players who stand too high on tackles. The N.F.L. is watching.

April 20, 2022

Kevin Randall

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/20/sports/football/usfl-technology-ball-spotting.html?smid=url-share

Sports radio 93.1 The Fan - Paul Alexander talks with a lead inventor on bringing precise ball spotting to the NFL! 2-27-2022

https://omny.fm/shows/kdkafm-on-demand/paul-alexander-talks-with-a-lead-inventor-on-bring

Front Office Sports post;

https://twitter.com/byajperez/status/1496208877985087489?s=20&t=3AThc_yUMHR5JF4W6c36bA

USPTO issued 2-2-2022 First Down Laser Line Patent # 11,253,768

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/71/53/1f/ffde795428672e/US11253768.pdf

~~~~ Enoska13 (talk) 05:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ USA TODAY SPORTS section - full back page. "SHOULD THE NFL LOOK TO LASERS TO MARK FOR FIRST DOWNS?", USA TODAY, United States, 3 December 2013. Retrieved on July 26, 2014.

[1] USA TODAY SPORTS section - full back page. "SHOULD THE NFL LOOK TO LASERS TO MARK FOR FIRST DOWNS?", USA TODAY, United States, 3 December 2013. Retrieved on July 26, 2014.

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